Podcast highlights: 2022 is the fifth year that DeFi has been proposed. Is the moat of DeFi getting weaker and weaker? Will it become an existence like infrastructure in the application layer? The directions explored by entrepreneurs focus on some obvious aspects, such as data indexing/analysis. What direction is there now that you haven't seen someone give a solution but there are obvious pain points? Although interoperability and composability are an important part of the Web3 industry, more and more teams with their own traffic still cho